(02:25:46 PM) The topic for #deegree is: Welcome to deegree, an OSGeo project. Visit the main project page at http://deegree.org and our wiki at http://wiki.deegree.org with lots of extra info. Check out a running system at http://demo.deegree.org and follow us on twitter @deegree_org.
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(02:29:24 PM) markusschneider: Meeting page here: http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/TmcMeeting/TmcMeeting20120529
(02:30:10 PM) markusschneider: hi everybody!
(02:30:14 PM) copierrj: hi
(02:30:15 PM) markusschneider: shall we start?
(02:30:15 PM) ndrs: hi
(02:30:16 PM) jwilden: Hello
(02:30:23 PM) jwilden: Yes please
(02:30:25 PM) markusschneider: what about torsten?
(02:30:35 PM) ndrs: I'll ask him, just a second
(02:31:02 PM) ndrs: he's not in the office
(02:31:46 PM) markusschneider: well, ok then
(02:31:58 PM) markusschneider: Any more items for the agenda?
(02:32:20 PM) jwilden: No
(02:32:30 PM) markusschneider: I have one: Impact of artefact server issues
(02:32:56 PM) markusschneider: I suggest to go through the list of tracker issues first.
(02:32:59 PM) ndrs: k
(02:33:03 PM) jwilden: ok
(02:33:22 PM) markusschneider: No updates on: 6321 or 6322
(02:33:49 PM) markusschneider: No updates on 6320, although the recent problems show how important this would be.
(02:33:59 PM) markusschneider: 6294?
(02:34:24 PM) jwilden: Nothing really new, but i hope there will be results soon
(02:34:24 PM) markusschneider: I believe Johannes wanted to prepare something here.
(02:34:40 PM) markusschneider: For this week.
(02:35:04 PM) markusschneider: No status update? Ok.
(02:35:05 PM) jwilden: As we are by now thinking about what we can do for more automated tests
(02:35:19 PM) jwilden: There are no results yet
(02:35:25 PM) markusschneider: Yes, but what is the current status of exactly?
(02:35:46 PM) jwilden: Work in progress
(02:36:01 PM) markusschneider: Ok. 6297?
(02:36:23 PM) markusschneider: Hmm. No activity.
(02:36:33 PM) ndrs: well, what's the current status?
(02:36:52 PM) markusschneider: I believe, this depends on 6298?
(02:37:21 PM) ndrs: depends, or at least needs to be considered alongside with it
(02:37:22 PM) markusschneider: Current status: We have a "guts feeling" tag in every pom.
(02:37:31 PM) markusschneider: Nothing more
(02:37:36 PM) ndrs: true
(02:37:39 PM) markusschneider: Any suggestions?
(02:38:10 PM) ndrs: not really. I think Torsten would probably have something to say here...
(02:38:20 PM) markusschneider: I suggest to finish the module list generation issues and then proceed with this one.
(02:38:31 PM) markusschneider: 6299: Done.
(02:38:39 PM) markusschneider: Is the warning ok?
(02:39:03 PM) ndrs: looks quite nice, thank you
(02:39:04 PM) copierrj: looks fine to me
(02:39:15 PM) markusschneider: Good. I will close it then.
(02:39:35 PM) markusschneider: One down.
(02:39:51 PM) markusschneider: 1275. Depends on JIRA decision.
(02:40:08 PM) markusschneider: BTW, this doesn't look to good. Jens doesn't seem to like the idea a lot...
(02:40:20 PM) copierrj: any idea why?
(02:40:30 PM) markusschneider: Because it's closed source.
(02:40:37 PM) ndrs: probably because it is a profit organisation
(02:40:40 PM) ndrs: yes, and that
(02:40:42 PM) copierrj: he does have a point there imho
(02:41:20 PM) ndrs: but still, I believe wald is not really a substitute
(02:41:22 PM) markusschneider: Well, it would be better if JIRA was open, that's for sure...
(02:41:23 PM) ndrs: codehaus might be
(02:41:38 PM) markusschneider: google?
(02:41:40 PM) markusschneider: :-)
(02:42:28 PM) markusschneider: We had 6322. 6253
(02:42:31 PM) markusschneider: ?
(02:42:44 PM) jwilden: Yeah, sec
(02:43:18 PM) jwilden: At first we will take down the old deegree 2 demos from the demoserver
(02:43:28 PM) jwilden: They are not working properly
(02:43:37 PM) ndrs: wait
(02:43:42 PM) markusschneider: How did you notice?
(02:43:57 PM) ndrs: they're currently still being used in the remotewms tests
(02:44:01 PM) ndrs: in deegree 3
(02:44:15 PM) jwilden: Oh i did not know that
(02:44:18 PM) ndrs: using deegree 3 to cascade deegree 2 is probably an important use case
(02:44:30 PM) jwilden: Than we will just remove them from the page (at least)
(02:44:34 PM) markusschneider: The joys of a controlled integration environment ;-)
(02:44:57 PM) markusschneider: ok
(02:45:02 PM) ndrs: ok, action item markusschneider: provide an IT environment for testing deegree 2 cascading services :-)
(02:45:06 PM) jwilden: Deployment of newer demos (deegree 3) is related to 6294. This is supposed to be one single process
(02:45:13 PM) jwilden: ;)
(02:45:46 PM) markusschneider: Ok.
(02:46:10 PM) markusschneider: Any ideas for a necessary steps to get more action items closed?
(02:46:20 PM) ndrs: regarding jira, maybe we should point out/discuss an alternative?
(02:46:47 PM) ndrs: I think sourceforge is not an option, we've done it before
(02:46:49 PM) markusschneider: Do you have something in mind?
(02:47:08 PM) ndrs: codehaus might be an alternative
(02:47:24 PM) markusschneider: I don't know. Maybe we should wait for the PSC decision first.
(02:47:34 PM) markusschneider: We already decided on JIRA, right?
(02:47:51 PM) ndrs: yes, but we might provide the PSC with two alternatives
(02:47:54 PM) jwilden: yes
(02:48:03 PM) ndrs: codehaus eg. would involve more work: http://www.codehaus.org/customs/selection.html
(02:48:25 PM) markusschneider: may say some painful things in private (like "a codebase entirely composed of static methods sucks dude, hell will freeze over before that pile of sh*te arrives here"). 
(02:48:32 PM) markusschneider: hihi
(02:48:52 PM) ndrs: ;-)
(02:49:30 PM) markusschneider: I believe this would mean to become part of just another project..
(02:49:45 PM) ndrs: yes, it's kind of a meta-project
(02:49:53 PM) markusschneider: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4141061/opensource-jira-alternatives
(02:50:52 PM) markusschneider: The one thing I like most about JIRA is that it appears to be a no-brainer...
(02:51:00 PM) ndrs: agreed
(02:51:06 PM) jwilden: dito
(02:51:11 PM) ndrs: and no administrative hussle if you use the hosted version
(02:51:21 PM) markusschneider: Yep
(02:51:45 PM) markusschneider: I believe there's no similarly integrated solution...
(02:51:55 PM) ndrs: so a third alternative would probably be to host a redmine or so ourselves, and I don't think we want that
(02:52:12 PM) jwilden: no, not really
(02:52:16 PM) markusschneider: No more administrative work...
(02:52:21 PM) copierrj: are there any non-profit hosted services?
(02:52:37 PM) ndrs: well, sure, eg. sourceforge
(02:52:52 PM) ndrs: I'm not sure about non-profit, but at least it's opensource afaik
(02:52:58 PM) markusschneider: google(?)
(02:53:06 PM) markusschneider: no direct profit
(02:53:14 PM) ndrs: yep
(02:53:31 PM) ndrs: I don't think you can actually buy a slot on code.google.com
(02:53:41 PM) markusschneider: So no concrete proposals?
(02:54:04 PM) copierrj: no
(02:54:05 PM) ndrs: Hosting on osgeo is also possible
(02:54:14 PM) markusschneider: Right. What does it include?
(02:54:24 PM) ndrs: I think what we want
(02:54:39 PM) ndrs: but it might be necessary for us to administer ourselves
(02:54:49 PM) ndrs: currently they use trac afaik
(02:54:59 PM) markusschneider: :-(
(02:55:07 PM) ndrs: yes, I don't like it either
(02:55:44 PM) ndrs: I'm all for thinking for myself, but in this case it's just too many projects that use those big github/jira hosted solutions for opensource
(02:55:44 PM) markusschneider: Shall we postpone this? Maybe Torsten has any more ideas on alternatives.
(02:56:02 PM) ndrs: sure, we can do that
(02:56:07 PM) copierrj: ok
(02:56:11 PM) jwilden: fine
(02:56:11 PM) markusschneider: I am still all behind JIRA...
(02:56:14 PM) markusschneider: ok
(02:56:27 PM) markusschneider: "Impact analysis of changes in OGC schemas (XLink)"
(02:56:42 PM) ndrs: you can probably say the most about it
(02:56:43 PM) markusschneider: Did you have the chance to re-read Jens' email?
(02:56:50 PM) copierrj: yes
(02:57:04 PM) markusschneider: I have the feeling that it should not have any impact at all.
(02:57:28 PM) markusschneider: What do you think, Reijer?
(02:57:41 PM) ndrs: except for changed schemas, which are included in deegree-ogcschemas, right?
(02:57:54 PM) markusschneider: That's what I understand...
(02:58:14 PM) markusschneider: But the important thing is that elements, attributes and namespaces are kept, right?
(02:58:28 PM) ndrs: I propose we switch our schemas as soon as the OGC does (in July)
(02:58:36 PM) ndrs: yes, I think so
(02:58:55 PM) markusschneider: I second that. Let's switch and see if anything breaks (it should not).
(02:59:06 PM) jwilden: Agreed
(02:59:11 PM) copierrj: maybe have to do a search on the repository to verify that we don't refer to the old xlink.xsd anywhere
(02:59:17 PM) ndrs: we might need to update our CITE tests
(02:59:26 PM) markusschneider: There's maybe one caveat...
(02:59:44 PM) markusschneider: What if people want their deegree WFS to work on top of the old schemas...
(02:59:57 PM) markusschneider: so it does behave exactly as before...
(03:00:08 PM) markusschneider: with regard to the included xlink-Schema
(03:00:10 PM) ndrs: then they might need to switch to a 3.1 release
(03:00:23 PM) markusschneider: Still wouldn't work, I believe.
(03:00:23 PM) ndrs: or provide costly funding ;-)
(03:00:44 PM) ndrs: but I cannot imagine someone caring about that at all
(03:01:07 PM) markusschneider: I think they are going to alter the schemas at schemas.opengist.net...
(03:01:19 PM) markusschneider: So we probably cannot do anything about that...
(03:01:34 PM) ndrs: yes, but do people care about how exactly the xlinks are defined?
(03:01:43 PM) markusschneider: Probably not, just as we don't.
(03:01:57 PM) markusschneider: Fine by me.
(03:02:02 PM) ndrs: ok
(03:02:07 PM) markusschneider: Good.
(03:02:28 PM) markusschneider: Last one: Impact of artefact server issues
(03:02:29 PM) ndrs: so, we only have to adapt the CITE tests, and the deegree-ogcschemas artifact
(03:02:36 PM) markusschneider: Right.
(03:02:43 PM) ndrs: ok, sorry
(03:02:51 PM) markusschneider: no prob
(03:03:11 PM) markusschneider: Did you have problems with that as well, Reijer?
(03:03:37 PM) markusschneider: For me, this sucked quite a bit.
(03:03:43 PM) ndrs: yes, me too
(03:04:01 PM) ndrs: it even lead to hudson not being able to build any more
(03:04:30 PM) markusschneider: I care. Do you? ;-)
(03:04:37 PM) ndrs: I suggest to push the nexus issue as being urgent/critical to the PSC
(03:04:38 PM) copierrj: No problems here. I haven't been using snapshots builds recently
(03:04:54 PM) jwilden: +1 @ ndrs
(03:05:05 PM) markusschneider: IMHO, this is a really crucial issue.
(03:05:10 PM) markusschneider: Even 3.1.2 was gone.
(03:05:20 PM) markusschneider: +1
(03:05:23 PM) copierrj: +1
(03:05:42 PM) markusschneider: Ok then. I will report that.
(03:05:50 PM) jwilden: Thank you
(03:05:54 PM) markusschneider: Thanks for attending, guys.
(03:06:02 PM) markusschneider: See you in two weeks?
(03:06:07 PM) copierrj: ok
(03:06:08 PM) jwilden: Yes
(03:06:12 PM) ndrs: ok, see you then, bye
(03:06:16 PM) jwilden: bye ybe
(03:06:16 PM) markusschneider: bye
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