(01:41:09 PM) The topic for #deegree is: Welcome to deegree, an OSGeo project. Visit the main project page at http://deegree.org and our wiki at http://wiki.deegree.org with lots of extra info. Check out a running system at http://demo.deegree.org and follow us on twitter @deegree_org.
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(02:11:32 PM) copierrj [~chatzilla@dsl-083-247-008-136.solcon.nl] entered the room.
(02:30:48 PM) markusschneider [~schneider@p578bff50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] entered the room.
(02:32:17 PM) markusschneider: hi
(02:32:26 PM) copierrj: hi
(02:32:45 PM) ndrs: hi
(02:32:58 PM) markusschneider: andreas, do you know if torsten or johannes are going to join us?
(02:32:59 PM) ndrs: Johannes will join us in a second
(02:33:07 PM) ndrs: I'll have a look where Torsten is
(02:33:08 PM) markusschneider: k
(02:33:37 PM) ndrs: he's not in the office any more
(02:33:44 PM) jwilden [~wilden@static-87-79-89-38.netcologne.de] entered the room.
(02:33:47 PM) ndrs: so I guess he'll not join us
(02:33:56 PM) jwilden: Hello
(02:33:58 PM) markusschneider: ok, then it's just the four of us, i guess
(02:33:59 PM) markusschneider: hi
(02:34:03 PM) markusschneider: Meeting page: http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/TmcMeeting/TmcMeeting20120626
(02:34:24 PM) markusschneider: Shall we start?
(02:34:36 PM) jwilden: Yes
(02:34:38 PM) copierrj: ok
(02:35:00 PM) markusschneider: well
(02:35:00 PM) ndrs: go
(02:35:08 PM) markusschneider: anything else for the agenda?
(02:35:13 PM) ndrs: nope
(02:35:29 PM) copierrj: tracker account
(02:35:37 PM) markusschneider: ok
(02:35:46 PM) markusschneider: i put that on the list
(02:36:03 PM) markusschneider: did you guys read the decisions of the latest psc meetingß
(02:36:04 PM) markusschneider: ?
(02:36:12 PM) copierrj: I did
(02:36:22 PM) ndrs: nope
(02:36:45 PM) markusschneider: http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/PscMeeting/PscMeeting20120618
(02:38:03 PM) ndrs: well well
(02:38:32 PM) ndrs: so the PSC wants to host the git repo itself, and also wants tracker integration
(02:38:33 PM) markusschneider: ok, maybe we browse our items with the latest psc comments in mind
(02:38:44 PM) ndrs: ok
(02:39:36 PM) markusschneider: 6321 must be changed to "find a better issue tracker solution"
(02:40:03 PM) markusschneider: Or what do you think?
(02:40:08 PM) copierrj: better than trac or better than wald, or both?
(02:40:21 PM) ndrs: both I should think
(02:40:27 PM) markusschneider: agreed
(02:40:34 PM) jwilden: ditto
(02:40:39 PM) ndrs: we also need to keep the PSC requirements in mind
(02:40:39 PM) markusschneider: that is integrated with git...
(02:40:43 PM) ndrs: yes
(02:40:51 PM) copierrj: and open source
(02:40:59 PM) markusschneider: and probably self-hosted
(02:41:06 PM) markusschneider: for whatever reason
(02:41:30 PM) markusschneider: more on 6320?
(02:41:34 PM) ndrs: wait
(02:41:44 PM) markusschneider: yes?
(02:41:49 PM) ndrs: maybe we should ask the PSC about their reasons?
(02:41:59 PM) ndrs: why github/non OpenSource solutions are no good?
(02:42:40 PM) copierrj: from what I understood: not open = wrong message
(02:42:44 PM) markusschneider: well, i believe they laid that out already.
(02:42:57 PM) markusschneider: in the latest psc protocol
(02:42:58 PM) ndrs: so, Linux = not open?
(02:43:11 PM) markusschneider: what do you mean?
(02:43:14 PM) copierrj: ??
(02:43:31 PM) ndrs: I mean there's literally thousands or tens of thousands of open source software on github
(02:43:41 PM) ndrs: they're all sending the wrong message?
(02:43:52 PM) markusschneider: good point.
(02:44:02 PM) ndrs: how's a lat/lon hosted solution more open?
(02:44:22 PM) ndrs: on github every leading member can have admin rights
(02:44:28 PM) copierrj: it's about the software, not the service
(02:44:59 PM) ndrs: ok, let's hear alternatives
(02:44:59 PM) copierrj: the source of github itself isn't freely available
(02:46:29 PM) ndrs: IMHO running on github is just not a lot of work, very transparent, just pragmatic. Since it's git, anyone can host their own copy of the repository they wish
(02:46:36 PM) ndrs: using whatever tools they want
(02:46:57 PM) ndrs: s/they wish/if they wish/
(02:47:06 PM) markusschneider: i totally agree here
(02:47:40 PM) ndrs: if it's self hosted, I want to see a viable alternative about who is going to care about the installation
(02:47:56 PM) ndrs: and what software is used, who makes it look professional etc.
(02:48:14 PM) markusschneider: good point. do you want to present your arguments for a non-self-hosted environment to the psc?
(02:48:14 PM) ndrs: all things you get for free on github
(02:48:30 PM) markusschneider: i second that
(02:48:44 PM) ndrs: sure, I can write an email
(02:49:01 PM) markusschneider: but let's first see if we find consensus ourselves
(02:49:09 PM) copierrj: are there hosted solutions based on free software?
(02:49:16 PM) ndrs: wald
(02:49:34 PM) markusschneider: behind the scenes, it's all git, right?
(02:49:53 PM) ndrs: ah well, I'm not sure about wald and git, just a sec
(02:50:26 PM) markusschneider: personally, I don't really care about the licensing of the administration interface and stuff...
(02:50:31 PM) ndrs: possibly codehaus
(02:50:41 PM) ndrs: would be an alternative
(02:50:56 PM) ndrs: I can't find out whether wald has git support
(02:51:04 PM) copierrj: there are quite some services out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_software_hosting_facilities
(02:51:18 PM) markusschneider: codehaus: http://www.codehaus.org/resources.html
(02:51:24 PM) markusschneider: look what they use!
(02:51:45 PM) ndrs: ups ;-)
(02:52:36 PM) jwilden: hehe
(02:53:34 PM) markusschneider: i also believe that using a common platform (bitbucket, github) would increase our visibility among developers...
(02:53:41 PM) ndrs: agreed
(02:53:47 PM) ndrs: so, does any of you support anything other than github?
(02:54:09 PM) markusschneider: well, personally i would also accept bitbucket
(02:54:26 PM) ndrs: agreed, but since it's the same company, I'd still prefer github
(02:54:34 PM) jwilden: agreed
(02:54:46 PM) ndrs: copierrj?
(02:55:14 PM) copierrj: I personally fine with github
(02:55:34 PM) copierrj: but I expect that the psc still doesn't like the closed nature of it
(02:55:56 PM) ndrs: yes well, then I feel they should answer the questions we have
(02:56:07 PM) ndrs: and probably show us a way out
(02:56:41 PM) copierrj: we could do some investigation for alternatives in the mean time
(02:56:51 PM) markusschneider: suggestion:
(02:57:11 PM) markusschneider: ndrs: write an email/ticket to the psc to present our arguments/questionss
(02:57:28 PM) markusschneider: copierrj: do a comparison /research for alternatives
(02:57:30 PM) ndrs: ok
(02:57:46 PM) jwilden: ok
(02:57:48 PM) copierrj: ok
(02:58:01 PM) markusschneider: ok, that's settled then
(02:58:17 PM) markusschneider: that was 6321
(02:58:20 PM) ndrs: do we still need to talk about artifactory vs nexus?
(02:58:29 PM) copierrj: probably
(02:58:47 PM) jwilden: We are already working on moving the arefatory to nexus
(02:58:55 PM) ndrs: I suppose the requirements are pretty clear: repo == fast & reliable
(02:59:16 PM) markusschneider: and minimal work
(02:59:19 PM) ndrs: artifactory is not fast and not reliable
(02:59:23 PM) jwilden: !
(02:59:34 PM) markusschneider: there's an alternative from apache
(02:59:51 PM) markusschneider: mom
(03:00:09 PM) markusschneider: http://archiva.apache.org/
(03:00:40 PM) copierrj: does anyone have some experience with it?
(03:00:52 PM) jwilden: No
(03:01:10 PM) markusschneider: no, but a friend of mine (working in a different company) was not happy with the administration interface
(03:01:27 PM) markusschneider: and considered moving to artifactory
(03:02:07 PM) ndrs: well, the OSE of nexus is eclipse license, so I don't see why it's not OpenSource enough
(03:02:47 PM) copierrj: epl is both osi and fsf approved!
(03:03:14 PM) ndrs: still, let's give it a try, probably what works, stays
(03:03:15 PM) markusschneider: there's going to be an interim nexus solution for deegree anyway
(03:03:19 PM) ndrs: yep
(03:03:32 PM) markusschneider: my suggestion is to just wait and see
(03:03:37 PM) copierrj: sounds like a plan
(03:03:56 PM) markusschneider: so #6321 is "being worked on"?
(03:04:12 PM) markusschneider: any idea when the new server will be available
(03:04:14 PM) markusschneider: ?
(03:04:55 PM) ndrs: we're currently working on the nexus installation, probably this week
(03:05:06 PM) ndrs: assuming you meant #6320
(03:05:11 PM) markusschneider: yep
(03:05:21 PM) markusschneider: next?
(03:05:26 PM) markusschneider: 6297
(03:05:46 PM) markusschneider: depends on 6298
(03:05:55 PM) markusschneider: 1275?
(03:06:10 PM) ndrs: needs the new tracker
(03:06:22 PM) markusschneider: 6322?
(03:06:28 PM) markusschneider: ok, we had that
(03:06:35 PM) jwilden: ;)
(03:06:45 PM) markusschneider: 6298?
(03:06:49 PM) ***ndrs has a deja vu
(03:06:53 PM) markusschneider: depends on schneider
(03:07:02 PM) markusschneider: :-D
(03:07:25 PM) markusschneider: didn't make any progress with the maven site, i have to admit...
(03:07:35 PM) markusschneider: still on my table
(03:07:43 PM) markusschneider: 6294?
(03:08:12 PM) jwilden: Nothing new yet
(03:08:29 PM) markusschneider: there's reijer's item left
(03:08:44 PM) markusschneider: tracker account
(03:09:25 PM) ndrs: didn't he get an account yet?
(03:09:30 PM) copierrj: nope
(03:09:37 PM) markusschneider: did you get my mail
(03:09:38 PM) markusschneider: ?
(03:09:51 PM) markusschneider: that was send to you and jeronimo?
(03:10:09 PM) copierrj: Yes. I did receive that one
(03:10:24 PM) copierrj: no follow-up though
(03:10:26 PM) ndrs: I think Jeronimo is at it
(03:10:34 PM) ndrs: he's doing it right now
(03:10:44 PM) copierrj: ok
(03:10:45 PM) markusschneider: just in time
(03:10:56 PM) ndrs: yes, what a coincidence ;-)
(03:11:47 PM) markusschneider: good
(03:13:05 PM) markusschneider: that's it for me
(03:13:14 PM) markusschneider: thank you and see you in two weeks then
(03:13:22 PM) ndrs: ok, see you then, bye
(03:13:26 PM) copierrj: ok, cu
(03:13:28 PM) copierrj: bye
(03:13:33 PM) markusschneider: bye
(03:13:38 PM) jwilden: bye
(03:13:41 PM) markusschneider left the room.