(05:08:55 PM) jwilden: Shall we start?
(05:10:22 PM) mschneider: yep
(05:10:52 PM) mschneider: http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/TmcMeeting/TmcMeeting20120724
(05:11:23 PM) mschneider: Hi you two.
(05:11:29 PM) ndrs: ok
(05:11:31 PM) jwilden: Hi
(05:11:34 PM) mschneider: Anything else for the agenda?
(05:11:51 PM) ndrs: no
(05:11:54 PM) jwilden: No
(05:11:57 PM) mschneider: goof
(05:12:01 PM) mschneider: d
(05:12:21 PM) mschneider: i believe we can skip the open issues?
(05:12:27 PM) ndrs: yes, I think so
(05:12:30 PM) mschneider: or any progress to be mentioned?
(05:12:33 PM) jwilden: Same here
(05:12:47 PM) mschneider: Then: TMC participation at deegree day 2012
(05:13:00 PM) mschneider: Shall we have a look at the email?
(05:13:25 PM) ndrs: yep
(05:13:37 PM) jwilden: If you could quote important parts here please
(05:13:46 PM) ndrs: I'm a little uncertain what the PSC expects from us
(05:13:57 PM) ndrs: we've never participated actively in the organisation in the past
(05:14:09 PM) jwilden: Presentations maybe?
(05:14:45 PM) ndrs: of course we can join in the comittee, I guess that's what he's asking
(05:14:52 PM) mschneider: Agreed
(05:15:06 PM) jwilden: Hmm
(05:15:17 PM) ndrs: ok, then I guess the answer is YES :-)
(05:15:25 PM) mschneider: I would suggest to confirm us joining and then ask for a meeting.
(05:15:33 PM) mschneider: to discuss the details
(05:15:34 PM) jwilden: Agreed
(05:15:38 PM) ndrs: ok
(05:15:40 PM) mschneider: +q
(05:15:43 PM) mschneider: +1
(05:15:49 PM) ndrs: +1
(05:16:01 PM) jwilden: +1
(05:16:03 PM) mschneider: Ok. Thank you.
(05:16:13 PM) mschneider: I will answer him on behalf of the TMC then.
(05:16:38 PM) jwilden: Thank you
(05:16:57 PM) mschneider: Artifact repository status
(05:17:13 PM) ndrs: well, it seems the Nexus is still not up and running
(05:17:17 PM) mschneider: What's the status of the Nexus setup?
(05:17:38 PM) mschneider: Any information on any remaining problems?
(05:17:40 PM) ndrs: they apparently had problems with the rights and privileges of the restricted repo
(05:18:00 PM) ndrs: I tested it in our service, and it was not really a problem
(05:18:23 PM) mschneider: Do you know if this is settled then?
(05:18:49 PM) ndrs: no, not really
(05:18:51 PM) jwilden: I think we have to make a clean setup and import the needed artifacts
(05:19:12 PM) mschneider: Somebody should discuss this with Jeronimo then. Anybody willing to take the necessary actions?
(05:19:29 PM) ndrs: hm, sure
(05:19:35 PM) jwilden: I am on holidays the next three weeks
(05:19:36 PM) mschneider: Fine.
(05:19:40 PM) ndrs: I could propose a plan on getting it running
(05:19:44 PM) jwilden: Ok than you andreas
(05:19:53 PM) ndrs: I'll document it in the Wiki or so
(05:19:56 PM) mschneider: Thanks.
(05:20:01 PM) jwilden: Nice
(05:20:05 PM) mschneider: I got another issue.
(05:20:11 PM) ndrs: out with it
(05:20:11 PM) jwilden: Shoot
(05:20:26 PM) mschneider: The PSC reply to the infrastructure issues.
(05:20:36 PM) mschneider: Wait.
(05:20:38 PM) ndrs: ah, looks like Torsten is online
(05:20:42 PM) mschneider: Torsten appeared online
(05:22:03 PM) ndrs: is he going to join us?
(05:22:09 PM) mschneider: yep
(05:22:13 PM) mschneider: sec
(05:26:16 PM) jwilden: Connection test...
(05:26:40 PM) jwilden: ...passed!
(05:26:48 PM) jwilden: Is he coming?
(05:27:24 PM) mschneider: he said so
(05:27:50 PM) jwilden: Ok
(05:30:01 PM) mschneider: torsten has connection issues...
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(05:31:27 PM) jwilden: Welcome
(05:31:29 PM) mschneider: welcome torsten
(05:32:16 PM) tfr: hi
(05:32:19 PM) tfr: sorry
(05:32:42 PM) mschneider: We were just about to discuss the PSC reply to the infrastructure decisions.
(05:32:51 PM) tfr: ok
(05:33:02 PM) mschneider: I wonder if we still need to do something here.
(05:33:34 PM) mschneider: I believe Jens expects an answer regarding the github/forking question.
(05:33:43 PM) tfr: right
(05:33:54 PM) ndrs: I still don't get the issue
(05:34:01 PM) tfr: can we help them to understand how it works
(05:34:07 PM) jwilden: Me neither
(05:34:13 PM) mschneider: I do
(05:34:20 PM) jwilden: Explain please
(05:34:56 PM) mschneider: Well, I believe his understanding/fear of forking does not match the git/fork development model.
(05:35:12 PM) mschneider: I think he does not know how modern open source projects work here.
(05:35:18 PM) tfr: it is about the culture
(05:35:28 PM) mschneider: and the technology.
(05:35:34 PM) tfr: right
(05:35:38 PM) mschneider: github fork is more a kind of branch
(05:35:38 PM) ndrs: I don't see why we need to do the explaining. Google helps: https://help.github.com/
(05:35:41 PM) mschneider: usually
(05:35:50 PM) mschneider: in most cases
(05:36:30 PM) mschneider: And I believe it can be a real boost to contributions.
(05:36:48 PM) jwilden: Ok, I get it. So what do we do about it?
(05:36:52 PM) mschneider: Can anybody present this to the PSC?
(05:36:56 PM) mschneider: Or is willing?
(05:38:02 PM) mschneider: i can wait ;-)
(05:38:08 PM) mschneider: okay, i do it
(05:38:09 PM) tfr: question when and how
(05:38:10 PM) ndrs: I'm not willing. IMHO we don't need to prove anything here.
(05:38:32 PM) mschneider: I would simply write a reply to the email.
(05:38:36 PM) tfr: psc is non-dev
(05:38:48 PM) jwilden: That should be sufficient for now
(05:38:49 PM) mschneider: what are you implying?
(05:38:52 PM) ndrs: tfr: I don't think only devs are on github...
(05:39:16 PM) tfr: right
(05:39:20 PM) ndrs: Since it's about OpenSource culture, it would be especially important for the PSC to do the research
(05:39:29 PM) mschneider: Personally, I believe the PSC is sometimes a bit to far away from technology to actually make such decisions.
(05:39:37 PM) tfr: and this is why psc can hardly understand what the difference betweensvn and git is
(05:40:06 PM) mschneider: Sometimes, this feels a bit frustrating.
(05:40:18 PM) tfr: there are plenty of projects claiming that the never would have reached that level of support by the community without git
(05:40:32 PM) mschneider: right
(05:40:33 PM) tfr: due to the fact that is easy to fork and pull
(05:40:49 PM) mschneider: and with geoserver being on github now, we really should hurry up
(05:40:53 PM) mschneider: no more time to lose
(05:41:34 PM) mschneider: anyway, i believe writing the email should do it. but when do we switch.
(05:41:55 PM) mschneider: would it be ok to already start a deegree repository at github?
(05:41:56 PM) tfr: ok. can we set up a wiki page with a few feature of git and statements from other OSS projects why they have choosen git
(05:42:48 PM) mschneider: sure we can.
(05:42:59 PM) tfr: ok. this is step 1
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(05:43:23 PM) tfr: then we will prepare a demo on git with deegree 3.2
(05:43:56 PM) mschneider: good. would you start the page? i can register deegree at github
(05:44:05 PM) tfr: ok
(05:44:16 PM) mschneider: fine
(05:44:21 PM) mschneider: anything else?
(05:44:22 PM) tfr: can we add some information what needs to be done to move from svn to git?
(05:44:38 PM) mschneider: i believe this should be a standard procedure...
(05:44:53 PM) mschneider: there are import tools available
(05:45:16 PM) mschneider: i can have a look at that as well. andreas, youre helping?
(05:45:22 PM) ndrs: sure
(05:45:32 PM) mschneider: is this ok then?
(05:45:42 PM) tfr: this is an quite import information to psc
(05:45:45 PM) tfr: yes
(05:46:27 PM) mschneider: anything else on the github issue?
(05:46:33 PM) tfr: no
(05:46:47 PM) mschneider: i have another question regarding nexus
(05:46:53 PM) mschneider: i am a bit confused here:
(05:47:23 PM) tfr: please explain why
(05:47:39 PM) mschneider: PSC meeting 20120618: " The issue with Nexus is that it is not really open source software."
(05:48:17 PM) mschneider: PSC meeting 20120716: "The main issue here is not so much if Nexus is open source or not, but - as we heard in the meantime - a configuration problem regarding access control"
(05:48:47 PM) tfr: here tms should point out that stability and reliability are far more important than beeing Nexus a true OSS project
(05:49:04 PM) ndrs: Yes, interesting point. One could almost get the impression that there is really another problem altogether...
(05:49:08 PM) mschneider: I second that.
(05:49:15 PM) ndrs: yes, agreed
(05:49:18 PM) mschneider: stability is key
(05:49:41 PM) mschneider: andreas already offered today to solve the remaining problems with Jeronimo
(05:49:46 PM) ndrs: I'm almost done with the page
(05:49:58 PM) mschneider: what page?
(05:50:09 PM) ndrs: the wiki page with the migration strategy
(05:50:17 PM) ndrs: I'm unsure how much time I can invest with Jeronimo on lat/lon time
(05:50:23 PM) mschneider: i see
(05:50:33 PM) tfr: tms should point out that nexus and JIRA are part of infrastructure and therefore each infrstructure component is replaceable.
(05:51:16 PM) mschneider: torsten, would you be willing to assist me in writing the psc reply?
(05:51:25 PM) tfr: who knows what the issue about access control is in detail?
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(05:51:34 PM) tfr: sure
(05:51:40 PM) ndrs: I do
(05:51:53 PM) ndrs: I'm outlining how we solved that problem at Occam Labs in the Wiki page
(05:52:06 PM) jwilden: Sorry I am having some connection issues
(05:52:19 PM) tfr: can you please point me to that wiki page
(05:52:29 PM) ndrs: just a second, I'm just writing it
(05:52:32 PM) mschneider: I believe the original problem with Nexus was the borked import that Jeronimo performed.
(05:52:48 PM) mschneider: something went wrong
(05:52:49 PM) ndrs: done: http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/ArtifactServerMigration
(05:53:18 PM) mschneider: Thanks a ton.
(05:53:50 PM) mschneider: Then we just need to point Jeronimo to this page.
(05:54:00 PM) ndrs: yes, agreed
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(05:54:32 PM) mschneider: and we should finally be able to get rid of our messy artifactory instance
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(05:54:54 PM) mschneider: ndrs: will you write him an email?
(05:55:22 PM) ndrs: I don't think I can tell him what to do on lat/lon time ;-) I'll note the Wiki page in the issue
(05:55:47 PM) mschneider: ok
(05:56:10 PM) mschneider: anything else?
(05:56:18 PM) mschneider: or are we done?
(05:56:35 PM) ndrs: I'm done
(05:56:41 PM) mschneider: :-)
(05:57:05 PM) jwilden: Well seems like I missed Tue important stuff...
(05:57:12 PM) tfr: me too
(05:57:24 PM) mschneider: i will put up the notes
(05:57:33 PM) tfr: @all: have a nice sunny evening!
(05:57:33 PM) jwilden: Thank you
(05:57:41 PM) ndrs: thanks, likewise :-)
(05:57:42 PM) mschneider: exactly: enjoy
(05:57:43 PM) jwilden: You too
(05:57:47 PM) mschneider: bye
(05:57:52 PM) jwilden: Bye
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