(02:38:14 PM) The topic for #deegree is: Welcome to deegree, an OSGeo project. Visit the main project page at http://deegree.org and our wiki at http://wiki.deegree.org with lots of extra info. Check out a running system at http://demo.deegree.org and follow us on twitter @deegree_org.
(02:38:14 PM) mode (+o ndrs) by ChanServ
(02:39:09 PM) markusschneider: Hi everybody.
(02:39:16 PM) copierrj: HI
(02:39:22 PM) markusschneider: I think that's it. No one else is coming :-(
(02:39:25 PM) ndrs: Good day
(02:39:39 PM) copierrj: ok
(02:39:58 PM) markusschneider: I got the feeling, that there is not much news today, but lets start with the open issues.
(02:40:07 PM) markusschneider: Or anything to add from you guys?
(02:40:12 PM) ndrs: not from me
(02:40:17 PM) markusschneider: http://wald.intevation.org/tracker/?atid=303&group_id=27&func=browse
(02:41:31 PM) markusschneider: The only update I remember is with regard to github.
(02:42:31 PM) markusschneider: As you know, a deegree organization on github has been created.
(02:42:55 PM) copierrj: nice
(02:42:58 PM) copierrj: !
(02:43:06 PM) markusschneider: reijer, is it ok to create an account and send me the name?
(02:43:21 PM) markusschneider: Did everybody catch the email on this matter?
(02:43:30 PM) markusschneider: Subject: "deegree organization / deegree 3 repository on github"
(02:44:23 PM) copierrj: I didn't notice the e-mail. O
(02:44:30 PM) copierrj: I'll register @ github
(02:44:43 PM) markusschneider: good
(02:44:59 PM) markusschneider: Then we have Torsten's remark "github is class b"
(02:45:18 PM) copierrj: most orgs didn't have a class
(02:45:28 PM) copierrj: hard to compare to i.e. facebook & co
(02:46:13 PM) markusschneider: shall we have a look at the details?
(02:46:25 PM) ndrs: sure
(02:46:40 PM) markusschneider: Problematic ones:
(02:46:42 PM) markusschneider: - Changes can happen any time, even without notice
(02:46:51 PM) markusschneider: Your account can be suspended and your data deleted any time for any reason
(02:46:57 PM) markusschneider: You must provide your legal name
(02:47:07 PM) markusschneider:  You shall defend and indemnify GitHub
(02:47:18 PM) markusschneider: Hmm.
(02:48:06 PM) ndrs: legal name -> fine by me
(02:48:18 PM) ndrs: IMHO developers should provide their legal names anyway
(02:48:18 PM) markusschneider: what is indemnify?
(02:48:40 PM) ndrs: schadlos halten
(02:48:52 PM) copierrj: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/indemnity
(02:48:54 PM) ndrs: ie we should not bash github publicly
(02:49:02 PM) copierrj: looks like it
(02:49:11 PM) copierrj: otherwise they might delete our suff
(02:49:19 PM) markusschneider: well
(02:49:57 PM) markusschneider: I believe most negative is "Changes can happen any time, even without notice"
(02:50:04 PM) ndrs: yep
(02:50:11 PM) copierrj: account suspension: inconvenient, but survivable
(02:50:29 PM) copierrj: especially the 'even without notice' part
(02:51:00 PM) markusschneider: But considering how easy it would be to switch to another service (or a selfhosted repo) I consider that acceptable.
(02:51:08 PM) copierrj: agreed
(02:51:11 PM) ndrs: agreed
(02:51:29 PM) markusschneider: Especially if we think about the benefits provided by github
(02:51:52 PM) copierrj: btw: did any of you read the actual terms?
(02:51:59 PM) ndrs: nope
(02:52:05 PM) markusschneider: Not yet.
(02:52:12 PM) copierrj: me2
(02:52:25 PM) copierrj: do we have to?
(02:52:27 PM) markusschneider: It is not that long actually.
(02:52:32 PM) ndrs: consider what we agreed to with eg. our ISP
(02:52:40 PM) markusschneider: I guess we should
(02:53:00 PM) markusschneider: I suggest that every TMC member ought to read that until next time.
(02:53:01 PM) ndrs: a lot of things are written down and never actually used
(02:53:07 PM) markusschneider: right
(02:53:08 PM) ndrs: ok, if we have to :-)
(02:53:10 PM) copierrj: ok
(02:53:52 PM) ndrs: anything else regarding github?
(02:53:56 PM) markusschneider: good. there also the pending task of answering some of the PSC questions. assigned to torsten and me.
(02:54:02 PM) markusschneider: don't think so.
(02:54:25 PM) markusschneider: BTW, GeoServer started a CSW community module...
(02:54:38 PM) markusschneider: We should better keep going :-)
(02:55:34 PM) ndrs: so what's the status on your pending task?
(02:55:53 PM) markusschneider: none
(02:56:04 PM) markusschneider: need to date with torsten
(02:56:06 PM) markusschneider: for that
(02:56:13 PM) markusschneider: :-)
(02:56:18 PM) markusschneider: anything else?
(02:56:22 PM) ndrs: nope
(02:56:30 PM) copierrj: no
(02:56:44 PM) markusschneider: alright
(02:56:54 PM) markusschneider: see you in two weeks
(02:57:00 PM) copierrj: cu
(02:57:01 PM) ndrs: ok, see you then, bye
(02:57:04 PM) markusschneider: bye