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<ndrs> c                                                                [14:22]
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<markusschneider> hi everyone!
<copierrj> hi
<markusschneider> is torsten going to join?                             [14:32]
<markusschneider> johannes?
<jwilden> I don't think so, but not 100% sure
<markusschneider> do you know that?
<jwilden> I'll ask
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<tfr> Hi
<markusschneider> hi
<copierrj> hi
<markusschneider> agenda is here:
                 http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/TmcMeeting/TmcMeeting20130419
<markusschneider> quite a list...
<markusschneider> shall we start?
<markusschneider> anything to add?
<ndrs> deegree desktop pulls                                            [14:34]
<markusschneider> oops
<markusschneider> okay
<markusschneider> first item would be deegree3 pulls (integrated in deegree
                 3.2.2 / 3.3-pre2)
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/91           [14:35]
<jwilden> +1
<ndrs> +1
<markusschneider> +1
<copierrj> 0
<tfr> +1
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/92
<jwilden> +1                                                            [14:36]
<ndrs> +1
<tfr> +1
<markusschneider> +1
<copierrj> +1
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/99
<markusschneider> +1
<ndrs> +1
<copierrj> +1
<tfr> +1
<jwilden> +1
<ndrs> merged.                                                          [14:37]
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/101
<markusschneider> i have a question to the contributor...
<jwilden> Ask!
<markusschneider> why does the patch explicitly disallow the enhanced support
                 for 1.1.0?
<markusschneider> i understand that the specification does not define it, but
                 it would certainly make a reasonable extension         [14:38]
<jwilden> If I remember correctly, this is schema conform
<markusschneider> correct
<markusschneider> but it would be an extension that everybody would benefit
                 from                                                   [14:39]
<jwilden> also correct
<jwilden> but why not use the newest version?
<jwilden> nobody seemed to miss this yet
<copierrj> deegree should never generate invalid xml imho
<ndrs> it would benefit people configuring filters in SLD/SE
<ndrs> copierrj: it's about parsing, not generating
<markusschneider> @copier: this is not about generation, but parsing
<jwilden> That's all i can say, sorry                                   [14:40]
<markusschneider> generally i would recommend the following strategy:
<markusschneider> be lenient on parsing
<markusschneider> and be very strict on generation
<copierrj> I don't agree
<markusschneider> with that said: 0
<markusschneider> why?
<copierrj> we had a lot of trouble converting deegree2 stuff to deegree3
                                                                        [14:41]
<copierrj> because of this
<ndrs> I can't imagine why
<copierrj> deegree2 being more lenient than deegree3
<ndrs> ahem
<ndrs> we'd like to have it the other way around
<tfr> guys, let's put that discussion into the github discussion releated to
      that pull request
<tfr> and all vote now                                                  [14:42]
<tfr> please
<jwilden> Maybe we should postpone this discussion and use github for it?
<markusschneider> well, if this meeting is for nothing but say: +1
<jwilden> Before maybe closing it
<markusschneider> then we can skip it completly, imho
<markusschneider> still: 0
<copierrj> this discussion has a larger scope than just this pull request
<ndrs> +1                                                               [14:43]
<markusschneider> agreed
<jwilden> +1 but still for postponing it
<copierrj> postponing this patch or this discussion?
<tfr> sorry, dont get the procedure here!!!
<tfr> either we accept by +1 or not
<tfr> or postpone                                                       [14:44]
<markusschneider> correct
<jwilden> Have the discussion on github, if everything is cleared we can vote
          on it... so please postpone
<tfr> but +1 and postpone does NOT make sense to me
<markusschneider> right, please give your votes for pulling now
<jwilden> +1
<copierrj> +1
<ndrs> +1
<tfr> 0
<markusschneider> 0
<ndrs> merged.                                                          [14:45]
<markusschneider> next item: deegree3 pulls (integrated in deegree 3.3-pre2)
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/93
<ndrs> +1
<markusschneider> +1
<copierrj> +1                                                           [14:46]
<jwilden> +1
<tfr> +1
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/94
<markusschneider> +1
<tfr> +1
<copierrj> +1
<ndrs> +1
<jwilden> +1
<ndrs> merged.                                                          [14:47]
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/96
<ndrs> +1
<markusschneider> +1
<jwilden> +1
<copierrj> +1
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<tfr_> sorry, lost connection                                           [14:49]
<tfr_> hello?
<copierrj> hi
<markusschneider> tfr: https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/97
<markusschneider> no
<markusschneider> sorry
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/96
<tfr_> 0
<jwilden> 96: +1
<ndrs> merged.                                                          [14:50]
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/97
<markusschneider> +1
<ndrs> +1
<jwilden> 0
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/98
<markusschneider> sry
<tfr_> +1
<copierrj> +1
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/98
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<jwilden> <execution>
<copierrj> +1
<jwilden>             <id>GEUI-899</id>
<jwilden>             <phase>test</phase>                               [14:51]
<jwilden>             <goals>
<jwilden>               <goal>test</goal>
<jwilden>             </goals>
<jwilden>             <configuration>
<jwilden>
          <projectFile>${soapui.test.dir}/01_Funktional/v1.0/jrcportal-GEUI-899.xml</projectFile>
<jwilden>             </configuration>
<jwilden>           </execution>
<jwilden> +1
<jwilden> sry
<jwilden> Wrong copy + paste
<ndrs> +1
<markusschneider> +1
<copierrj> +1
<markusschneider> :-)
<ndrs> merged.                                                          [14:52]
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree2-base/pull/1
<ndrs> +1
<markusschneider> this is deegree2-base
<markusschneider> +0
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<copierrj> +1                                                           [14:53]
<jwilden> +1
<tfr> 0
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> okay
<markusschneider> now for deegree2-desktop
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree2-desktop/pull/7
<markusschneider> 0
<ndrs> +1
<copierrj> 0                                                            [14:54]
<jwilden> +1
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree2-desktop/pull/8
<markusschneider> 0
<ndrs> 0
<jwilden> +1
<copierrj> +1
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<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree2-desktop/pull/10
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<markusschneider> 0
<ndrs> +1
<copierrj> 0
<jwilden> +1
<tfr_> 0
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree2-desktop/pull/11
<markusschneider> 0
<jwilden> +1                                                            [14:56]
<copierrj> 0
<tfr_> 0
<ndrs> +1
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree2-desktop/pull/12
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> 0
<ndrs> +1
<tfr_> +1
<jwilden> +1
<copierrj> 0                                                            [14:57]
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree2-desktop/pull/13
<markusschneider> 0
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<copierrj> 0
<jwilden> +1
<tfr_> +1
<ndrs> +1
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> https://github.com/deegree/deegree2-desktop/pull/14
<markusschneider> 0
<ndrs> +1                                                               [14:58]
<tfr_> +1
<jwilden> +1
<copierrj> 0
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> thanks
<markusschneider> now for something completly different...
<markusschneider>
                 http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/TmcMeeting/TmcMeeting20130419#Outdated_deegree_webpage_.2BAC8_update_permission
<markusschneider> any comments before we vote on the proposals?         [14:59]
<tfr_> one thing I like to add
<markusschneider> yep
<tfr_> how can we organise the blog roll?                               [15:00]
<markusschneider> well, i would suggest that community members can request to
                 have there blogs added                                 [15:01]
<tfr_> I mean how can we generate steady content in good quality?
<copierrj> being payed well...
<tfr_> yes, and do we accept everyone?
<markusschneider> no, i would suggest that the tmc/psc have votes
<tfr_> payed for what and payed by whom?                                [15:02]
<copierrj> paying people to write something about their projects
<markusschneider> and tmc/psc members can also request a vote for removing a
                 blog again
<ndrs> markusschneider: process  sounds good to me                      [15:03]
<copierrj> like to voting idea too
<markusschneider> i can describe the process on the wiki before we start with
                 the blogroll                                           [15:04]
<markusschneider> we would just start with an official blog for release notes,
                 i would suggest                                        [15:05]
<markusschneider> or better: anouncements
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<markusschneider> and add that blog to the OSGeo blogroll
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<ndrs> well, can't we use the standard drupal blog for this?
<markusschneider> this will make the project look much more active...
<markusschneider> sure
<markusschneider> this was my idea
<ndrs> I like it
<ndrs> having recent news/posts gives readers a good impression
<jwilden> agreed                                                        [15:07]
<markusschneider> yep
<markusschneider> any other comments?
<copierrj> but if we have a blogroll that doesn't contain recent post it is
           going to backfire
<markusschneider> well, we have at least to candidate blogs that are sort of
                 active
<markusschneider> and if it occurs to be inactive, we can remove it again
                                                                        [15:08]
<markusschneider> the whole community blog idea, i mean
<markusschneider> but i don't think that will happen
<markusschneider> unless the project should be killed off anyway...
<ndrs> in case we keep up with the steady releases, we'll have news every two
       weeks anyway                                                     [15:09]
<markusschneider> i believe, you're mixing two things:
<markusschneider> 1. the news blog
<markusschneider> 2. the community blogroll
<tfr> the culture of writing blogs will evolve over time
<markusschneider> 2. will be on a separate page
<ndrs> oh, ok
<copierrj> to make it a success we should have more that just new updates
<ndrs> I thought they'd be integrated into one                          [15:10]
<markusschneider> i don't know. i thought to split them
<markusschneider> copierrj: can it be any worse than it is now? (with regard
                 to updates)
<ndrs> are there any other people willing to start a blog?              [15:11]
<markusschneider> i think every project announces new releases on their home
                 page....
<markusschneider> every project, except one
<markusschneider> ;-)
<jwilden> So there will be new content at lease every two weeks
<markusschneider> what's not to like about this?
<jwilden> *at least
<markusschneider> i don't get it
<markusschneider> at the moment, we just have manual "news" every now and then
                                                                        [15:12]
<markusschneider> i think the news blog should definitely be an improvement
<tfr> I am willing to contribute as long as we can agree on the goal of that
      blog
<markusschneider> good
<markusschneider> shall we vote then?
<copierrj> ok                                                           [15:13]
<tfr> having one blog first
<markusschneider> Proposal 1: All TMC members should have administrative
                 access to Drupal
<tfr> +1
<jwilden> +1
<ndrs> +1
<markusschneider> +1
<copierrj> +1
<markusschneider> :-)
<copierrj> BTW: who is currently official in charge (aka 'the boss') of the
           website?
<tfr> lat/lon
<tfr> no individual                                                     [15:14]
<markusschneider> yep, this is targeted by the next proposal
<markusschneider> Proposal 2: Elect primary maintainer who is responsible for
                 keeping the page in good shape
<copierrj> a person?
<markusschneider> yes
<tfr> volunteers?
<markusschneider> me
<ndrs> any others?
<tfr> anyone else?
<jwilden> I suggest to propose 2 people
<jwilden> me
<markusschneider> okay
<jwilden> :)                                                            [15:15]
<tfr> great team!
<copierrj> does it have to be a tmc or psc person?
<markusschneider> who would be second then?
<jwilden> I#d like to be second
<markusschneider> :-)
<markusschneider> copierj: who are you thinking of
<markusschneider> ?
<copierrj> a colleague                                                  [15:16]
<markusschneider> arie?
<copierrj> yes
<markusschneider> nice idea to have a web page person in the team...
<jwilden> agreed
<tfr> can you ask him
<markusschneider> but does he actually want to be responsible?
<markusschneider> so for now: Johannes and me?
<copierrj> I'll ask him (and his employer)                              [15:17]
<markusschneider> with the option to join in Arie.
<markusschneider> you votes?
<markusschneider> your
<ndrs> +1
<copierrj> +1
<tfr> +1
<markusschneider> +1
<jwilden> +1
<markusschneider> nice
<markusschneider> i believe we're done!? it was rather long. or is there
                 anything else?                                         [15:18]
<ndrs> I have one pull left: https://github.com/deegree/deegree3/pull/95
<markusschneider> oops
<ndrs> +1
<markusschneider> +1
<copierrj> +1
<tfr> +1
<jwilden> +1                                                            [15:19]
<ndrs> merged.
<markusschneider> see you in two weeks then?
<jwilden> Yap
<ndrs> yep, see you
<tfr> bye
<copierrj> cu
<markusschneider> @reijer: please tell arie to contact us
<copierrj> ok
<tfr> and marcus you will inform PSC?                                   [15:20]
<markusschneider> sure
<tfr> good
<markusschneider> c u
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<jwilden> bye
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