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(02:19:41 PM) mode (+o ndrs) by ChanServ
(02:19:54 PM) Users on #deegree: @ndrs markusschneider wilden copierrj @ChanServ
(02:31:00 PM) markusschneider: Hi everybody and a Happy New Year!
(02:31:17 PM) ndrs: Hi, likewise
(02:31:18 PM) markusschneider: ndrs: Are you recording again?
(02:31:22 PM) copierrj: Thanks, likewise
(02:31:28 PM) wilden: Hi
(02:31:35 PM) ndrs: yes, this time using pidgeon (hopefully produces nice html logs)
(02:31:47 PM) markusschneider: :-) Shall we start?
(02:31:48 PM) ndrs: pidgeon -> pidgin
(02:31:57 PM) copierrj: ok
(02:32:02 PM) wilden: Yes
(02:32:13 PM) markusschneider: Wiki page here: http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/TmcMeeting/TmcMeeting20120103
(02:32:38 PM) markusschneider: Anything missing on the agenda?
(02:32:48 PM) wilden: I don't think so
(02:32:57 PM) ndrs: looks good
(02:33:04 PM) copierrj: to me too
(02:33:33 PM) markusschneider: Great. I suggest to start with the open TMC tasks again...
(02:33:45 PM) wilden: Agreed
(02:33:50 PM) copierrj: ok
(02:34:14 PM) markusschneider: What about #1255?
(02:35:14 PM) markusschneider: I actually don't recall what happened regarding the confirmation :-(
(02:35:21 PM) ndrs: pretty much out of date it seems
(02:35:40 PM) wilden: I think so, too. 1 1/2 years old
(02:35:42 PM) ndrs: look at the Wiki page -> Andrei did not agree to the guidelines but committed for years
(02:35:47 PM) copierrj: Last modified: 2010-05-06
(02:35:53 PM) markusschneider: :-(
(02:35:56 PM) markusschneider: http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/RegisteredCommitters
(02:36:07 PM) ndrs: even I did not agree, it seems ;-)
(02:36:10 PM) markusschneider: aschmitz!
(02:36:27 PM) ndrs: do we really need this page?
(02:36:36 PM) copierrj: me neither
(02:36:37 PM) wilden: Andreas, you also did not accept!?
(02:36:51 PM) ndrs: I was not aware I had to...
(02:36:55 PM) ***ndrs ducks
(02:36:57 PM) wilden: So what to do with that?
(02:37:19 PM) markusschneider: I believe it has some importance for a proper OSGeo project...
(02:37:27 PM) copierrj: sending reminders?
(02:37:49 PM) ndrs: good idea
(02:37:52 PM) markusschneider: I think so. And bringing the list up to date.
(02:37:53 PM) wilden: @copier: yes, why nnot
(02:38:09 PM) ndrs: then we can also ask whether they still want to be committers
(02:38:25 PM) wilden: +1
(02:38:26 PM) markusschneider: Right.
(02:38:33 PM) copierrj: +1
(02:38:40 PM) markusschneider: Maybe send out an email to deegree-devel?
(02:38:59 PM) markusschneider: And afterwards hunt down everybody who doesn't answer...
(02:39:07 PM) wilden: Yes, sounds good
(02:39:16 PM) copierrj: +1
(02:39:19 PM) ndrs: +1
(02:39:30 PM) markusschneider: +1
(02:39:37 PM) wilden: +1
(02:39:59 PM) markusschneider: Volunteers ? :-)
(02:40:12 PM) markusschneider: Someone needs to do it...
(02:40:14 PM) ndrs: as head of TMC the honour should be yours
(02:40:19 PM) wilden: I can do that
(02:40:41 PM) markusschneider: sounds good :-)
(02:40:52 PM) markusschneider: johannes, your action item?
(02:41:01 PM) wilden: Should I include the list of names from the wiki in the email?
(02:41:13 PM) wilden: Yes, my action item @markus
(02:41:30 PM) markusschneider: Maybe in BCC
(02:41:38 PM) copierrj: +1 bcc
(02:41:51 PM) wilden: ok
(02:42:02 PM) markusschneider: Good.
(02:42:11 PM) markusschneider: #1275?
(02:42:16 PM) ndrs: please be aware that the acceptance emails should be sent as a response to the list (they are linked from the wiki page)
(02:42:40 PM) ndrs: ok, 1275
(02:42:50 PM) wilden: ok
(02:43:03 PM) ndrs: anyone got a suggestion?
(02:43:30 PM) markusschneider: Not really. This also involves questions such a sponsoring.
(02:43:32 PM) wilden: Do you mean something like: I wanna have a green UI?
(02:43:41 PM) ndrs: maybe one of us should be responsible for responding, either rejecting or assigning it to a milestone (possibly backlog)
(02:43:47 PM) wilden: Wishes and stuff?
(02:43:51 PM) copierrj: is the issue tracker even known to the larger public?
(02:44:00 PM) markusschneider: But this also involves strategic planning...
(02:44:15 PM) markusschneider: Shall we discuss this on the TMC/PSC summit?
(02:44:22 PM) ndrs: probably a wise idea
(02:44:41 PM) wilden: Think so, too
(02:44:45 PM) copierrj: +1
(02:45:04 PM) markusschneider: Ok. #6253?
(02:45:40 PM) ndrs: Johannes and I can take this action I think
(02:45:41 PM) wilden: Ok
(02:46:34 PM) markusschneider: +1
(02:46:42 PM) copierrj: +1
(02:46:45 PM) markusschneider: #6263
(02:46:57 PM) ndrs: wilden: did you get that document?
(02:47:04 PM) wilden: This can be considered as doen
(02:47:06 PM) wilden: *done
(02:47:09 PM) wilden: yes i did
(02:47:21 PM) wilden: it really is a "bit" outdated
(02:47:23 PM) markusschneider: So what happened?
(02:47:35 PM) wilden: And the important stuff is already in the wiki
(02:47:41 PM) ndrs: ok, then we should ask Jens to close the issue
(02:47:49 PM) wilden: Yes
(02:47:51 PM) markusschneider: So the wiki page is up-to-date now?
(02:47:53 PM) ndrs: (somehow we still don't have the rights)
(02:48:22 PM) wilden: Yes @ markus
(02:48:29 PM) markusschneider: Cool.
(02:48:29 PM) wilden: but not the maven stuff
(02:48:40 PM) wilden: this is not really documented yet
(02:48:55 PM) markusschneider: So this is going to be added in the future?
(02:49:04 PM) wilden: I hope so :>
(02:49:12 PM) markusschneider: 6264?
(02:49:24 PM) markusschneider: We discussed this already
(02:49:47 PM) copierrj: can also be closed imho
(02:49:48 PM) ndrs: yes, I think we can also ask Jens to close the issue. If the PSC decides some action to be taken, they should open a new one
(02:49:54 PM) markusschneider: http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/TmcMeeting/TmcMeeting20111123#deegree_3_visibility.2BAC8-servlet_mapping
(02:50:02 PM) wilden: Ok
(02:50:14 PM) markusschneider: I will create deegree tracker items from it.
(02:50:28 PM) wilden: ok
(02:50:32 PM) markusschneider: As discussed.
(02:50:49 PM) markusschneider: Afterwards, the issue can be closed IMHO.
(02:50:54 PM) ndrs: I thought this were just suggestions?
(02:51:18 PM) markusschneider: Who is going to decide in the end?
(02:51:29 PM) ndrs: probably the PSC, no?
(02:51:44 PM) markusschneider: We just made technical proposals:
(02:51:53 PM) markusschneider: Headers
(02:51:59 PM) markusschneider: Alternative start page
(02:52:06 PM) ndrs: ok, we could add these as wishlist issues
(02:52:07 PM) markusschneider: Should be ok, IMHO./
(02:52:16 PM) copierrj: +1
(02:52:17 PM) markusschneider: +1
(02:52:18 PM) wilden: andrs: agree
(02:52:32 PM) markusschneider: You mean the roadmap?
(02:53:02 PM) ndrs: I meant as you suggested, as deegree issues, set on wish
(02:53:12 PM) markusschneider: Got it.
(02:53:35 PM) markusschneider: That's it. Two more things on the agenda.
(02:53:55 PM) markusschneider: "Policy for deegree mailing list responses (how to deal with questions no one feels responsible for)"
(02:54:15 PM) markusschneider: Basically this is a question of responsibilty
(02:54:17 PM) wilden: I think this has to be discussed with the psc, too
(02:54:25 PM) ndrs: true
(02:54:33 PM) markusschneider: Right.
(02:54:45 PM) wilden: So postpone to the summit?
(02:54:51 PM) markusschneider: But I would suggest that we need clearly defined maintainers...
(02:55:00 PM) markusschneider: For every module
(02:55:07 PM) ndrs: ok, +1 for markusschneider for iGeoPortal
(02:55:14 PM) markusschneider: No way
(02:55:17 PM) markusschneider: :-)
(02:55:21 PM) wilden: :D
(02:55:24 PM) ndrs: seriously, we just don't have people for all components
(02:55:39 PM) ndrs: that's the biggest problem IMHO
(02:55:40 PM) markusschneider: Right, but we need to bring this matter up to the PSC.
(02:55:50 PM) ndrs: yes
(02:56:03 PM) markusschneider: But there's no other way then defining maintainers, I believe.
(02:56:13 PM) markusschneider: And we need help with that.
(02:56:15 PM) wilden: think so, too
(02:56:20 PM) ndrs: there's also the way of not defining a maintainer for older components
(02:56:36 PM) markusschneider: Yep.
(02:56:37 PM) ndrs: or components we're not that interested in anymore
(02:56:45 PM) markusschneider: Like what?
(02:56:53 PM) markusschneider: ;-)
(02:57:13 PM) ndrs: deegree2 config tool ;-)
(02:57:37 PM) markusschneider: Shall I report the issue to the PSC?
(02:57:47 PM) ndrs: I think we can just bring it up at the summit
(02:58:00 PM) markusschneider: When is it going to be, anyway?
(02:58:09 PM) wilden: may or something?
(02:58:19 PM) copierrj: not earlier?
(02:58:47 PM) wilden: not sure
(02:59:21 PM) markusschneider: I will ask and report the open issues.
(02:59:32 PM) ndrs: I think this was supposed to be discussed on PSC meeting 12.12.
(02:59:39 PM) ndrs: but no logs are available yet
(02:59:59 PM) markusschneider: Did the meeting take place?
(03:00:17 PM) ndrs: at least the Attendees are listed
(03:00:22 PM) wilden: http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/PscMeeting/PscMeeting20111212
(03:01:19 PM) ndrs: you can ask about that when you send the notice about this meeting
(03:01:29 PM) markusschneider: Ok
(03:02:01 PM) markusschneider: Last item: deegree 3 OpenJDK compatibility
(03:02:17 PM) markusschneider: I would like to prepare a suggestion for the PSC, if possible.
(03:02:28 PM) ndrs: copierrj: did you try deegree 3 with OpenJDK yet?
(03:02:30 PM) markusschneider: Did everybody read my email?
(03:02:43 PM) markusschneider: No, but I know someone who did.
(03:02:53 PM) markusschneider: Seemed to work.
(03:03:01 PM) markusschneider: But we need more testing.
(03:03:15 PM) copierrj: we use deegree3 on ubuntu server using openjdk
(03:03:25 PM) markusschneider: Any trouble?
(03:03:36 PM) ndrs: we could propose to use our jenkins for OpenJDK runs
(03:03:59 PM) copierrj: no trouble yet
(03:04:15 PM) wilden: perfect :>
(03:04:31 PM) copierrj: we didn't use everything in deegree3 yet, though
(03:04:40 PM) markusschneider: We could also just add test runs/builds to the official build server.
(03:05:00 PM) ndrs: hudson does not seem to support OpenJDK in the installed version
(03:05:12 PM) markusschneider: Ah, okay.
(03:05:22 PM) ndrs: that's probably why Jody suggested jenkins ;-)
(03:05:29 PM) markusschneider: Upgrade to Jenkins?
(03:05:46 PM) ndrs: that would be the preferred action
(03:06:02 PM) wilden: How much work is it?
(03:06:11 PM) ndrs: but in the meantime I could add inofficial test builds to our jenkins
(03:06:21 PM) markusschneider: I would suggest to target the following platforms for 3.2: Oracle JDK 6, Oracle JDK 7, OpenJDK 7.
(03:06:35 PM) ndrs: wilden: could be a bit of a fumble
(03:06:42 PM) copierrj: someone already using java 7 btw?
(03:06:46 PM) markusschneider: Me
(03:06:49 PM) wilden: @ markus: +1
(03:06:49 PM) markusschneider: No problems.
(03:06:56 PM) copierrj: nice
(03:07:02 PM) ndrs: markusschneider: +1 for targetet platforms
(03:07:33 PM) markusschneider: Also we should clarify the containers:
(03:07:45 PM) markusschneider: Apache Tomcat 6, Apache Tomcat 7,..
(03:07:51 PM) copierrj: jetty?
(03:07:53 PM) ndrs: not WebLogic ;-)
(03:08:12 PM) markusschneider: @copierrj: Are u using Jetty?
(03:08:34 PM) copierrj: @markusschneider: we use jetty during development
(03:08:53 PM) wilden: So we could include jetty?!
(03:09:00 PM) markusschneider: I would favor it, but would you be willing to invest time here?
(03:09:22 PM) markusschneider: reijer?
(03:09:32 PM) ndrs: we could add it as second-class 'supported but not well tested'
(03:09:35 PM) copierrj: don't know, we don't use it in production
(03:09:38 PM) wilden: Not really if its not funded
(03:10:13 PM) markusschneider: Sounds good. Have two categories: supported and "should work"
(03:10:25 PM) wilden: I'm ok with that
(03:10:25 PM) markusschneider: Should work: Jetty version?
(03:10:29 PM) copierrj: it might be a good idea to look into jetty sometime
(03:10:44 PM) copierrj: it has a richer api than tomat
(03:10:50 PM) copierrj: *tomcat
(03:10:59 PM) markusschneider: We don't use Tomcat API...
(03:11:14 PM) copierrj: I know
(03:11:16 PM) ndrs: we could add weblogic to the list as well, once we got it running
(03:11:25 PM) markusschneider: In order to avoid depending on a certain container..
(03:11:32 PM) copierrj: but the servlet api is loosing popularity
(03:11:53 PM) markusschneider: The EE guys will not like that :-)
(03:12:00 PM) copierrj: EE sucks in the cloud
(03:12:08 PM) markusschneider: As we need to support WebLogic for 3.2
(03:12:32 PM) markusschneider: jrcportal
(03:12:37 PM) markusschneider: requires that
(03:13:04 PM) wilden: So add it to the list
(03:13:05 PM) markusschneider: But I am not against having a look at alternative FrontController implementations...
(03:13:16 PM) ndrs: ok, coming back to the issue, action item for me is to set up the test builds on jenkins
(03:13:40 PM) markusschneider: For OpenJDK and Oracle Java 7?
(03:13:46 PM) copierrj: +1
(03:13:56 PM) ndrs: yep, whatever jenkins will give me for free
(03:14:01 PM) wilden: +1
(03:14:02 PM) markusschneider: +1
(03:14:16 PM) ndrs: how quick everyone +1s if it's an item for me ;-)
(03:14:30 PM) markusschneider: ;-)
(03:14:50 PM) markusschneider: And my action item is to suggest a clarification of target platforms to the PSC.
(03:15:05 PM) wilden: yes
(03:15:18 PM) markusschneider: Good.
(03:15:32 PM) ndrs: let's see what the summit brings, I hope it makes communication between PSC and TMC faster
(03:15:48 PM) markusschneider: Right.
(03:16:18 PM) markusschneider: Are we done?
(03:16:22 PM) wilden: Yep
(03:16:25 PM) copierrj: yes
(03:16:27 PM) wilden: I think so
(03:16:32 PM) ndrs: alright
(03:16:39 PM) markusschneider: Good. Thank you all.
(03:17:01 PM) ndrs: next meeting in two weeks?
(03:17:03 PM) wilden: You too, see you all in 2 weeks?
(03:17:12 PM) markusschneider: +1
(03:17:21 PM) copierrj: +1
(03:17:26 PM) wilden: Ok then.
(03:17:26 PM) ndrs: ok, see you then, bye
(03:17:29 PM) markusschneider: Bye then.
(03:17:36 PM) wilden: bye
(03:17:38 PM) copierrj: cu
(03:17:42 PM) markusschneider left the room.
(03:17:51 PM) wilden left the room.